631. Insights: After Dark: Ripping up the rulebook

Live from New York City, it's After Dark! David M. Brear and Gwera Kiwana are joined by some great guests, from Orum and Chipper Cash, to break down the comparisons between DeFi, embedded finance and the music counterculture.

Welcome to the latest installment of After Dark, titled 'Ripping up the rule book', recorded live in New York City!

Our expert hosts, David M. Brear and Gwera Kiwana, are joined by some great guests to delve into the premise that DeFi and embedded finance are the punk and hip-hop of financial services respectively.

While Defi took punk’s DIY ethic and disrespect for its predecessors, embedded finance’s strategy of sampling and reworking the hits of yesteryear is straight from hip-hops playbook.

Who will hit the mainstream? Could we see collaboration and crossovers coming? And can mainstream players move into the counterculture?

This week's guest include:

• Wiza Jalakasi, VP, Developer Relations, Chipper Cash
• Larisa Daberko, Head of Partnerships, Orum

Fintech Insider by 11:FS is a podcast dedicated to all things fintech, banking, technology and financial services. It’s hosted by a rotation of 11:FS experts including David M. Brear, Simon Taylor, Jason Bates and Gwera Kiwana, as well as a range of brilliant guests. We cover the latest global news, bring you interviews from industry experts or take a deep dive into subject matters such as APIs, AI or digital banking.

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Special Guests: Larisa Daberko and Wiza Jalakasi.